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		<title>By: Melissa Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand how the times didn&#039;t run your letter.  i find that bizarre.</description>
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		<title>By: DB</title>
		<link>http://womenandhollywood.com/2009/10/23/amelia-motherhood/comment-page-1/#comment-5618</link>
		<dc:creator>DB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An open letter to Manohla Dargis regarding her review of &quot;Amelia&quot;:

What has happened to you, Manohla Dargis?  Once a hero to women watching as you worked your way to power in the critics circle, do you now feel the need to go for the jugular of women filmmakers to earn your seat at the table?  You&#039;d never write the male version of this phrase:

Dargis: &quot;The director Mira Nair, whose only qualification appears to be that she’s a woman who has made others films about and with women (&#039;Mississippi Masala,&#039; &#039;Vanity Fair&#039;)....&quot;

This sentence is so shocking, it&#039;s hard for me and my friends (male &amp; female) to even get our heads around it.

Imagine the reverse:  The director Steven Spielberg/Steven Soderberg/Michael Bay/(and so on so forth), whose only qualification appears to be that he’s a man who has made others films about and with men (name two of their fairly major movies here)...

Not only have you added to a damaging attitude of belittling women in the industry -- and what&#039;s more in a high-profile, intelligent newspaper -- but, in one sentence, you have undermined not only all of Nair&#039;s work, but ALL female filmmakers&#039; work. 

As you must know, a director is not entirely responsible for the script and finished product of a film, so they deserve neither all the credit, nor all the blame.  When dealing with a huge studio budget such as this film Amelia&#039;s, there would be dozens of people involved with creating a mainstream vision of this story, and THAT is what should be criticized here.  You may hold Nair responsible for her part, but you have a duty to also bring your knowledge of the studio system and its increasing pressures to create middle-of-the-road films aimed to maximize profit, rather than make a great film.  This film&#039;s flaws are not falling only at the feet on Nair; indeed, she would have enormous pressure as a woman simply having the director position of such a large budget feature to bring it in as desired by studio execs.  Don&#039;t be naive, Dargis, about the process.  It is unbecoming and mean-spirited.  I don&#039;t believe you make such personal attacks of male directors that you review.  It begs the question: why did you choose to say this about Nair?

Please take a serious look into yourself for this slip, and then write a follow up article calling attention to your own mistake, showing how insidious and subtle (or not so subtle, in your case) that these perceptions and dismissals are... in short, what an uphill battle women have, not just in overt ways, but by being undermined by their own colleagues.  

You have shown that not only can women not just be criticized for their work, but they are criticized for WHO THEY ARE. 

You, of all people, as a smart person, a thoughtful person, and what&#039;s more, as a female critic!, should know how tough it is for women in ANY industry, and I would certainly not expect you to add to that burden by denigrating a person for her gender.  (Would you like it if you were dismissed as a person whose only qualification is that you are a woman who has written reviews about movies with women in them?  I can&#039;t even conceive that you would ever like that as your NYT bio.)

Dargis, you write better than this.  You should be better than this.  I hope to see you directly address this problem in order to regain our confidence that you have lost. 


NOTE:  The NYT site did not post this or another note from a different reader, I&#039;ve learned, completely unconnected to this reader&#039;s (a short note which said the review was sexist and disappointing).  Censorship from the NYT regarding readers comments against sexism?  Strange and disturbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An open letter to Manohla Dargis regarding her review of &#8220;Amelia&#8221;:</p>
<p>What has happened to you, Manohla Dargis?  Once a hero to women watching as you worked your way to power in the critics circle, do you now feel the need to go for the jugular of women filmmakers to earn your seat at the table?  You&#8217;d never write the male version of this phrase:</p>
<p>Dargis: &#8220;The director Mira Nair, whose only qualification appears to be that she’s a woman who has made others films about and with women (&#8216;Mississippi Masala,&#8217; &#8216;Vanity Fair&#8217;)&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>This sentence is so shocking, it&#8217;s hard for me and my friends (male &amp; female) to even get our heads around it.</p>
<p>Imagine the reverse:  The director Steven Spielberg/Steven Soderberg/Michael Bay/(and so on so forth), whose only qualification appears to be that he’s a man who has made others films about and with men (name two of their fairly major movies here)&#8230;</p>
<p>Not only have you added to a damaging attitude of belittling women in the industry &#8212; and what&#8217;s more in a high-profile, intelligent newspaper &#8212; but, in one sentence, you have undermined not only all of Nair&#8217;s work, but ALL female filmmakers&#8217; work. </p>
<p>As you must know, a director is not entirely responsible for the script and finished product of a film, so they deserve neither all the credit, nor all the blame.  When dealing with a huge studio budget such as this film Amelia&#8217;s, there would be dozens of people involved with creating a mainstream vision of this story, and THAT is what should be criticized here.  You may hold Nair responsible for her part, but you have a duty to also bring your knowledge of the studio system and its increasing pressures to create middle-of-the-road films aimed to maximize profit, rather than make a great film.  This film&#8217;s flaws are not falling only at the feet on Nair; indeed, she would have enormous pressure as a woman simply having the director position of such a large budget feature to bring it in as desired by studio execs.  Don&#8217;t be naive, Dargis, about the process.  It is unbecoming and mean-spirited.  I don&#8217;t believe you make such personal attacks of male directors that you review.  It begs the question: why did you choose to say this about Nair?</p>
<p>Please take a serious look into yourself for this slip, and then write a follow up article calling attention to your own mistake, showing how insidious and subtle (or not so subtle, in your case) that these perceptions and dismissals are&#8230; in short, what an uphill battle women have, not just in overt ways, but by being undermined by their own colleagues.  </p>
<p>You have shown that not only can women not just be criticized for their work, but they are criticized for WHO THEY ARE. </p>
<p>You, of all people, as a smart person, a thoughtful person, and what&#8217;s more, as a female critic!, should know how tough it is for women in ANY industry, and I would certainly not expect you to add to that burden by denigrating a person for her gender.  (Would you like it if you were dismissed as a person whose only qualification is that you are a woman who has written reviews about movies with women in them?  I can&#8217;t even conceive that you would ever like that as your NYT bio.)</p>
<p>Dargis, you write better than this.  You should be better than this.  I hope to see you directly address this problem in order to regain our confidence that you have lost. </p>
<p>NOTE:  The NYT site did not post this or another note from a different reader, I&#8217;ve learned, completely unconnected to this reader&#8217;s (a short note which said the review was sexist and disappointing).  Censorship from the NYT regarding readers comments against sexism?  Strange and disturbing.</p>
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		<title>By: stephanie rosenfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephanie rosenfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, forgot quotation marks -- all that (above) is Dargis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, forgot quotation marks &#8212; all that (above) is Dargis.</p>
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		<title>By: stephanie rosenfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephanie rosenfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mahnola Darghis said the same thing in the NYT (10/24), basically, and I agree:

Hilary Swank doesn’t wear a prosthetic to play Amelia Earhart in the new movie about the aviator: she has a man on her arm instead. The film “Amelia” subscribes to the Great Woman Theory of history, which, as is often the case with distaff stories, largely involves the great woman and the men in her life. In male biographies, women tend to silently suffer or whine and shriek on the sidelines. The main suffering here is done by Earhart’s husband, the publisher G. P. Putnam (Richard Gere). His tears help domesticate the aviator, who’s never allowed to fly solo, at least metaphorically. The real Earhart urged young women to pursue careers: “If we begin to think and respond as capable human beings able to deal with and even enjoy the challenges of life, then we sure will have something more to contribute to marriage than our bodies.”

Evidently Earhart’s bobbed hair, fondness for slacks and unyielding independence — on the eve of their wedding, she gave Putnam a prenuptial letter with an opt-out clause — presented too confusing a vision of modern womanhood for filmmakers chasing what Hollywood types see as a fickle female audience. (Given the industry’s wholesale embrace of antediluvian ideas about what women want and like, this group might be more rightly labeled the Dark Continent Demographic.) At the very least, you would have thought that the people behind “Amelia” would have noticed that, in the last Democratic primary, a lot of potential ticket buyers voted for an independent woman with cropped hair and a penchant for pantsuits. Then again Hillary Rodham Clinton only made it to the State Department, an achievement unlikely to rate a glossy biopic treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mahnola Darghis said the same thing in the NYT (10/24), basically, and I agree:</p>
<p>Hilary Swank doesn’t wear a prosthetic to play Amelia Earhart in the new movie about the aviator: she has a man on her arm instead. The film “Amelia” subscribes to the Great Woman Theory of history, which, as is often the case with distaff stories, largely involves the great woman and the men in her life. In male biographies, women tend to silently suffer or whine and shriek on the sidelines. The main suffering here is done by Earhart’s husband, the publisher G. P. Putnam (Richard Gere). His tears help domesticate the aviator, who’s never allowed to fly solo, at least metaphorically. The real Earhart urged young women to pursue careers: “If we begin to think and respond as capable human beings able to deal with and even enjoy the challenges of life, then we sure will have something more to contribute to marriage than our bodies.”</p>
<p>Evidently Earhart’s bobbed hair, fondness for slacks and unyielding independence — on the eve of their wedding, she gave Putnam a prenuptial letter with an opt-out clause — presented too confusing a vision of modern womanhood for filmmakers chasing what Hollywood types see as a fickle female audience. (Given the industry’s wholesale embrace of antediluvian ideas about what women want and like, this group might be more rightly labeled the Dark Continent Demographic.) At the very least, you would have thought that the people behind “Amelia” would have noticed that, in the last Democratic primary, a lot of potential ticket buyers voted for an independent woman with cropped hair and a penchant for pantsuits. Then again Hillary Rodham Clinton only made it to the State Department, an achievement unlikely to rate a glossy biopic treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jelperman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jelperman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And speaking of Swank and Gere, in real life Earhart and Putman were only 10 years apart, but in the film there is 25 years between the actors (not cool). &lt;/i&gt;

What&#039;s &quot;not cool&quot; about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And speaking of Swank and Gere, in real life Earhart and Putman were only 10 years apart, but in the film there is 25 years between the actors (not cool). </i></p>
<p>What&#8217;s &#8220;not cool&#8221; about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Amelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great reviews, thank you.

Very disappointed that &quot;Amelia&quot; has been turned into more of a love story than anything else, I was really looking forward to seeing it! They tried to do turn &quot;Iron Jawed Angels&quot; (starring Hilary Swank) into a bit of a love story too. I guess they think that that will increase their audience, because they presume that some women will only want to see love stories.

I am so bored of love stories. And I am sick of the presumption that a movie about a woman, or a movie for women, has to have a love story in it. I love Hilary Swank, and a movie about someone as cool as Amelia Earhart sounded promising. Plus, Amelia Earhart had the same name as me. Maybe I&#039;ll get over the &#039;love story&#039; derailment of the plot and go see the movie anyway. There are so few films centred around a strong female character that are not about finding love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great reviews, thank you.</p>
<p>Very disappointed that &#8220;Amelia&#8221; has been turned into more of a love story than anything else, I was really looking forward to seeing it! They tried to do turn &#8220;Iron Jawed Angels&#8221; (starring Hilary Swank) into a bit of a love story too. I guess they think that that will increase their audience, because they presume that some women will only want to see love stories.</p>
<p>I am so bored of love stories. And I am sick of the presumption that a movie about a woman, or a movie for women, has to have a love story in it. I love Hilary Swank, and a movie about someone as cool as Amelia Earhart sounded promising. Plus, Amelia Earhart had the same name as me. Maybe I&#8217;ll get over the &#8216;love story&#8217; derailment of the plot and go see the movie anyway. There are so few films centred around a strong female character that are not about finding love.</p>
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		<title>By: ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eeek, why Susan G. Komen? (Who brought us such fantastic fundraising devices as Jingle Jugs and the idea that exploitation for fundraising is fine...)

http://www.alternet.org/story/14014/
http://www.myspace.com/thejinglejugs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eeek, why Susan G. Komen? (Who brought us such fantastic fundraising devices as Jingle Jugs and the idea that exploitation for fundraising is fine&#8230;)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/14014/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alternet.org/story/14014/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.myspace.com/thejinglejugs" rel="nofollow">http://www.myspace.com/thejinglejugs</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thomai in L.A. (it rhymes)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomai in L.A. (it rhymes)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Mira Nair&#039;s work. 

I don&#039;t need a love story in every film, am I alone? And I really don&#039;t need a huge age gap between the actors, it&#039;s usually enough to keep me from seeing a film ~ Yeah studio&#039;s, some of us  are that over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Mira Nair&#8217;s work. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need a love story in every film, am I alone? And I really don&#8217;t need a huge age gap between the actors, it&#8217;s usually enough to keep me from seeing a film ~ Yeah studio&#8217;s, some of us  are that over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomai in L.A. (it rhymes)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomai in L.A. (it rhymes)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m sure there are lots of women who will relate to it.&quot;

uh, not exactly a good review.  was it that bad ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m sure there are lots of women who will relate to it.&#8221;</p>
<p>uh, not exactly a good review.  was it that bad ?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Amelia &#38; Motherhood &#124; Women &#38; Hollywood -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amelia Earhart has always been one of my heroes. So, I am really devastated and disappointed that AMELIA have had gotten so many negative reviews. And I&#039;m also disappointed to hear that the movie focused more on the sappy relationship rather than on Amelia&#039;s historic achievements. Maybe that&#039;s the reason the movie is so bad, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amelia Earhart has always been one of my heroes. So, I am really devastated and disappointed that AMELIA have had gotten so many negative reviews. And I&#8217;m also disappointed to hear that the movie focused more on the sappy relationship rather than on Amelia&#8217;s historic achievements. Maybe that&#8217;s the reason the movie is so bad, eh?</p>
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